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From: Glenn van As
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:57 AM
Subject: I huffed and I PUFFED and I blew it out the apex
Fred..........close your eyes, I was not only the apical
barbarian but the big bad wolf as I puffed with sealer.
I wanted to show this simple case and to ask:
How often does the lower incisor have 2 canals that have
seperate orifices. Thanks again for allowing me to
participate - Glenn
Photos by Glenn
From: Bill Watson
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:32 PM
Glenn, Very nice photography and a very well done case.
If I may make one suggestion that could improve the case,
at least from an aesthetic point of view. If I interpret
the radiograph correctly, there appears to be GP incisal
to the crestal bone. IF this is the case, there
is potential for future discoloration of the clinical
crown from the sealer/GP mass.
When aesthetics is a concern, always remove GP and
scrupulously clean out the remaining sealer remaining
incisal/coronal to the GP which should be 1-2 mm below
the level of crestal bone. Again, nice case. - bill
Point as always taken!!
Thanks for the kind words and yes I looked at it too and
realized it might be a little high but that was after the
Patient wants full crowns on the lowers now to prevent
this happening so I figure this might not be the last endo
I do...... I will go back and remove GP......Glenn
Hey Glenn, Freddie forgives...He's a real nice guy.
Not to worry.
Now to the issue of 2 canals in lower anteriors. I always
assume there are 2 of them until I can positively prove
I am wrong. I know it's hard to believe but lower anteriors
are not easy teeth to treat. They have a myriad of anatomical
variants and anomolies....so my approach is to always prepare
for the worst scenario and then I'm covered. Stropko
has the numbers on the variants.
Don't lose any sleep over that "puff" because your patient
won't either. When it heals and most of it resorbs you can
put it back on the web for further dissection by
los "rooters". - B.Harvey Wiener, DDS, MScD, FRCD(C)
I agree with you Bill, but I get alot of crap from referring
docs because they don't want to have to place the resin down
that far - Jerry Avillion
Glenn, I can't believe you are worried about that sealer.
How many times have you personally seen (or seen someone post)
cases like this that have failed? If it happened, one would
think the pulp lover camp would be showing these things in
seminars all over the earth.
On the other hand, any one of us could post a zillion cases
of root canals treated 1mm short that have failed. Gary Carr
probably has a bunch that were done by endodontists.
- Jerry Avillion
I always bring the obturation down to the CEJ--- and then use
self curing resin instead of light-curing ;) jab
Hi Jerry !
Agree 100%. Your docs are lazy. I am a GP too and I have no
problems what so ever placing resin 2-3 mm under CEJ. I even
use the Machtou pluggers to make it sit well :) About the puff,
I don't like it but in a tooth like this I think it's unavoidible.
Nice treatment ! - Thomas
Hi ! I have seen a presentation, I think by Prof' Friedman
showing a big puff (err well, huge ;) ) that failed quite
nicely. - Thomas
Did he re-treat it short and get it to heal? - Jerry Avillion
As Fred has repeatedly said, the puffs are not bone magnets.
Typically the failure would not result from the puff but because
of inattention to detail in another area. There are many more
things in endodontics to be leery of other than a puff.
Just my two cents - Blake McKinley, Jr., DDS
Has there EVER been any research to show that 'puffs' somehow
adversely influence healing?
As far as I can tell from my own cases (which is all anecdotal),
the ones with the BIG puffs seem to heal as well as the ones
with the little puffs.
It's the ones with NO puffs that are the ones that seem to fail.
- Jerry Avillion