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The Perio-Endo lesion

From: Mike Rethman To: periotherapist group Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 2:32 AM Subject: [periotherapist] "The Perio-Endo lesion" Re: "From Paul Keyes, I have recovered spirochetes from necrotic pulp canals in intact teeth with perio-endo lesions." M. Rethman: Indeed, you and others have isolated bugs considered "periodontal" from necrotic pulpal tissue remains. However, the questions remain: 1. How did they get there (post-necrosis perhaps?) Anachoresis? Thru dentinal tubules prior or post pulpal necrosis? 2. If it's a true perio-endo lesion, did these periodontal bugs have etiologic role(s) in pulpal death? You'll never get me to say "no way" but despite ample endo experience, I've never seen an endo case that I could confidently attribute to a periodontal etiology (#3 above). Therefore the "threat" that periodontitis or periodontal therapy presents to pulpal health is, IMHO, a red herring. At best, it appears to be an extremely rare phenomena, if it happens at all. From Paul Keyes, This is a late reply. I speculate that as the epithelial cells migrate apically they and other cells destroy the attachment tissues and any blood vessels, etc., that enter lateral canals. This leads to infection and eventual pulpal necrosis. Spirochetes, etc then enter the pulp chamber thru lateral canals. This is what I believe happens. Mike Rethman: Paul's description seems reasonable, but it's my impression that the so-called "perio-endo" lesion rarely, if ever, actually happens. 1500 or so endo teeth treated (referred to me) and many years of practicing perio and I never saw a "perio-endo" lesion that I felt wasn't really an "endo-perio" lesion. (Some of these could have been either, but in each case there was at least some evidence that the initial lesion was pulpal.) Also, I see no reason why periodontal bacteria couldn't "move" thru exposed dentinal canals (or lateral canals -- that tend to be mostly near the apex of single-rooted teeth but can penetrate from the interprox. bone into the pulp in furcations) into an already-dead pulp. Indeed I suspect that this process would be easier than bacteria successfully attacking and killing live tissue in the tubules. From Paul Keyes, Such lesions are rare. When radiographs showed a periodontal lesion with total loss of bone around the apex of a tooth, I tested the pulp. If it were non-vital, one of my colleagues treated the tooth endodontically and I treated it periodontically. We had some success saving teeth with this type of involvement.

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